13. The infinite regress is generally based on the idea that the universe has an initial cause. Two Further Arguments against an Infinite Regress in Per Se Ordered Causal Series. An infinite regression is a proposed chain of causation in which each purported cause itself requires another event of exactly the same type to cause it.. Reason #1: The earth is not infinite, and a naturalist God wouldn’t be, either. Therefore, there has not been an infinite regression of creations. The common objection to the concept of skepticism is that one would have to be "skeptical of skepticism", and "skeptical of being skeptical of skepticism", and possibly into an infinite regression.Since that cannot occur, the series must terminate in God. Without a creator God, how does Buddhism solve the problem of an infinite regress? An Infinite regression is a loop of premises that continue on in ad infinitum. By definition, the Christian God never came into existence; that is, He is the uncaused cause (Psalm 90:2). dances around ontological conflicts by permitting infinite regress of finite causes only. ", the universe was already filled with light, and God is rendered quite the Johnny-come-lately. The Bible, when declaring that God is eternal (Psalm 90:2), verifies the logic which negates the possibility of an infinite regression of impersonal causes. Enjoy. Both believe everything that exists has an explanation -- the atheist posits an infinite regress of explanations and the theist posits that the explanations eventually terminate with God whose explanation is the necessity of His own nature. This raises the question of what set the original chain in motion--in short, what was the "first cause." Where Infinite Regression is possible. An infinite regress of causes is impossible. The purpose of this piece is to prove, not God’s existence, but solely that no proper causal regression to infinity is possible. The regress relies on the premiss that a designer must be more complex than the thing designed. Separates Water & Dry Land; Members; 1,128 1,698 posts; Gender: Male; … God was in an “infinite regression” in the past vs singularity was in an “infinite regression” in the past. In regards to the nature of the infinite regression of created beings and a solution for the existence of God After a certain point in the ladder of realities, you reach a point where beings aren’t created, they manifest and do not take on a material or created form, but take on a manifestant form, which is the way immortal beings express themselves. Nobody is exempt from the philosophical tangle of infinite regress. This post outlines two further such arguments. 9. In contrast, a merely accidentally ordered regression, such as the procreative one leading back through all our ancestors, could potentially go on to infinity – as Aristotle appears to say with respect to the possible eternity of species. Spiritual life after death (in heaven) vs vacuum state. If God can have an infinite regression, there is no issue with an infinite regression for reality. For that cause he names the solution God and says that there are certain things that God would have to be in order to be that answer. If we are allowing that God is infinite, thus accepting that infinity is a real possibility, then we should accept the possibility that there is an infinite regress. One is evolutionary and scientific; the other is a philosophical infinite regress argument. 12. Therefore, no one created God. An infinite regress is an infinite series of occurrences or concepts. ‘If there is a God at all, then that God is not the God of this earth only, that God is the God of the entire universe. In a recent post I outlined an argument against the possibility of an infinite regress in a per se ordered causal series. If we demand who created us, then a God complex enough to create musk ask the same question: who created him? That is, since each premise is contingent on some reason, we then require another premise to justify that reason. A very common and very fallacious objection to the philosophical conclusions of the cosmological argument for God’s existence is the rebuttal of “who created the creator?” Prominent atheist and popular author Richard Dawkins responds to the idea of a first cause by assigning the fallacy of an infinite regression to God himself. Question The problem with an eternal universe, or the absence of a starting point/finite past/creator God, is the fact that it is impossi for there to be an infinite amount of events in the past. 8. Dawkins says that God presents an infinite regress that he cannot help us escape. Aquinas, Atheism, Existence of God, Metaphysics, Natural Theology, Philosophy, Philosophy of Religion, Theism, Thomism. a fallacy in which the argument proposes an explanation, but the mechanism proposed stands just as much in need of explanation as the original fact to be explained — and indeed it stands in need of the same kind of explanation. Occam's Razor says we do not need to move further than the evidence suggests. Let me copy/paste some of the stuff he has said. Explaining an enigma with a greater enigma is no explanation at all. But any cosmology you come up with also results in an infinite regress. I think the atheist objection is a rejection to premise 2 as stated above. He was always in existence, and He is the one who created space, time, and matter. It centers on the following: proof for the existence of God and the infinite regress argument that so often accompanies it. What you can say is that the infinite regression sits in a bubble of time, and outside of this bubble of time sits a prime mover who is without time. Whether all things must have a "first cause" or not, is a subject of debate. God is eternal, uncreated, independent of the universe, and noncontingent. The absurdity of such a theory is quite plain to anyone who gives it sincere and honest reflection. It can't be infinite because that would create an infinite regression of causation, which is a fallacy and therefore impossible, which leaves us with a finite universe that needs a cause. God presents an infinite regress can not help us escape a recent post I outlined an argument against the of. 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